Saturday, September 18, 2010

Seattle Times: Panel backs Chihuly exhibit at Seattle Center

If we are going to be handing over public land to the tourism industry then they can fork over some of that hotel tax money, right now.
This stuff aint free, and I am getting tired of paying a levy for maintenance and capital investment for these "sites" if its intended audience are out-of-towners.

Who are we building the city for?
Where is the tax-benefit nexus?

No more levies for tourist traps. Let the hotelier's new Public Facilities District and the 7% hotel tax start paying for the upkeep of these Seattle-ish "public" parks.
The entire Seattle Center site, if this is the direction they really want to take that site, should get its capital money from the 2% sales tax credit on Seattle hotels that is part of the Convention Center tax revenue.
No more "park" money if this is the direction they want to go. Go ask the tourism industry for our tax money back while you are kissing their asses.

A citizens panel selected Dale Chihuly's glass-art exhibit Friday for a much-prized site at the foot of the Space Needle. The panel's conclusion, after months of meetings and debate, is the same as the one Seattle Center officials reached last spring.

Seattle Center Director Robert Nellams will study the panel's recommendation and present his choice to Mayor Mike McGinn. The City Council will make a final decision this fall.

The committee expressed skepticism about seven other proposals for the 1.5-acre site, and said the commercial and privately owned Chihuly exhibit would not cost the city any money and would attract tens of thousands of tourists in time for the 50th anniversary celebration of the World's Fair in 2012.

With city budget cuts coming, an unfunded master plan for the Center and a basketball arena that is missing its NBA team, Seattle Center will need something to celebrate in two years.

Panel backs Chihuly exhibit at Seattle Center, Seattle Times Newspaper


Peter said...

Do you think the city will ever get around to renovating keyarena, or is a new arena likely to beat it to the punch? If the arts people are greedy or the county tries to use the tourism taxes on their budget, i could easily see them take the keyarena route to save money, assuming ballmer`s still in. I know beggars can`t choose, but if we end up with an redone key, i`m gonna be disappointed.

Peter said...

Going back to your comment on SC, why is keyarena "crappy plan B" if no one in the city will show leadership on it? We have been hearing alot of talk, so i wouldn`t bet against an eastside arena, but where on the eastside would an arena be if one is built there? Is an arena on the eastside really likely to happen if nothing ever happens to the key? Why would it be on the eastside and not seattle if it is an private and/or county arena? It just seems like we`ve been hearing about an potential eastside arena since what, 2006? If someone was gonna build an eastside arena, wouldn`t they do it whenever clay was off the hook?

Peter said...

Everyone on SC keeps mentioning KC`s arena being built, and offering free rent to a team. The point i was trying to make is if we opened an arena 3 years ago, teams would have already been here when the arena opened, and we wouldn`t have to offer free rent. if you have an arena, then you have investment groups. In short, our market is way more attractive than KC. Do you think it is a given that when an arena happens we`ll get a team/teams?

Mr Baker said...

Most modern arenas are build around large transportation corridors. Look at where Safeco and Qwest are, I-5 and I-90.
On the east side you have I-405 and SR 520, and I-90, they will likely get light rail pretty soon, too. The rush hour traffic on I-90 sees almost the same amount of traffic going either direction.
There aren't many destinations on the east side, shopping and work.
So, the east side is an option.

The convention center footprint for the expansion is too small to build an arena on. Land is limited in Seattle. There are a couple spots in south Seattle, though the further south you go the less competitive they are with the east side.

The Tim Ceis plan involved getting a slice of the convention center taxes for Seattle Center. Well, those taxes are being transferred to the new PFD and I see no action there.

KC arena is in a poor market. Look at the Royals.

Peter said...

It just seems like we`ve been hearing rumors about an eastside arena for years now. Since 2006, to be exact. If there are investors, what are they waiting for? It just seems like the minute clay was off the hook it would the perfect time for an eastside arena.

Peter said...

In your letter to bagshaw you posted on SC, you wrote as if an eastside arena eventually was a likely event, if not a certain event. What makes you say this? I just dont get why potential investors dont just act, or at least come forward. I know stuff is probably going on, but not hearing anything at all is very frustrating. Do you still think we`ll have a team by 2013 or 2014?

Mr Baker said...

People tend to act, on either side of Lake Washington, if people are aware that failure to act is their problem.

Peter said...

What could happen to make that happen? I mean, the team is already gone. Could the financial model getting fixed help?

Mr Baker said...

There are different parts that need to get better, including the business model.

Peter said...

Ugh... Everybody on SC seems so quick to bash the annoucements by brock and detlef. call me naive but i don`t think either of them (or anybody) would lie or even mislead about something of this magnitude. Some people have suggested that they were guessing, but to talk about something of that magnitude without stating that it is a guess is horribly misleading. If they don`t know something is definitely being worked on, everyone should stay silent. I know we shouldn`t celebrate or even look ahead yet, but to act like neither of the annoucements is good news is absurd imo.

Peter said...

What things are holding back an new seattle arena? You mentioned the financial model of the league, but what will it take for whoever wants to invest in an arena/ teams to come forward?

Mr Baker said...

Public political leadership to facilitate a large project to get built.
A private leader that is public about their desire.
And leaders that are interested in a project that in the end benefit the community financially.

The public entities will need some up front taxing authority, for roads, stoplights, etc.

On the west side I just do not see much leadership on anything like this.
On the west side there are areas that want to develop and expand, so, finalizing the light rail path might help. Getting 18 thousand people in and out of one place is not too tough during off-peak driving hours, assuming that you can handle capacity like that during rush hour.

Peter said...

are you getting close to finishing the revised post about meeting with dow?

"Public political leadership to facilitate a large project to get built.
A private leader that is public about their desire.
And leaders that are interested in a project that in the end benefit the community financially."

we already know this isn't the city. so if it isn't dow, we'll have to wait at least another 6 years? i don't see gregoire leading on this issue- ever. what's holding the political and private leadership back?- the financial model of the league and what else? if there are investors out there, i just don't understand why they don't show that they're there. we can hear people talk in the media like brock and det about efforts until the sun comes up, but it gets kinda old unless there is some concrete evidence.