Saturday, March 6, 2010

The 12 Amendments of HB 2912 my legislature gave to me

House Bill 2912 has a new and improved striker amendment on the Floor that puts back in the language that was changed coming out in the House Finance Committee, House Floor, and Senate Ways and Means Committee.

12 more amendments were added to make it passible. These amendments have not yet been voted on. Some of them look like the opportunity for somebody to state an opinion for the record, even if their amendments were to fail.

Here the amendments are, and what they do:

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 087 305 Tom Floor Pg 8 Ln 22

EFFECT: Funds may not be used for a stadium unless 10% of the tickets are affordable to persons or families at 100% of the
medium income.

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 088 306 Tom Floor Pg 8 Ln 22

EFFECT: Funds from the 2% rental car tax may only be used for public transit in the county.

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 089 307 Tom Floor Pg 8 Ln 22

EFFECT: Revenues raised by the tax on food and beverages may only be used for cost of living adjustments for public school
teachers in the county.

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 090 308 Tom Floor Pg 8 Ln 22

EFFECT: Prior to the beginning of any improvements to a public stadium, a county must conduct an economic development analysis to determine whether or not the funds expended for the improvements on a public stadium are the best use of the funds.

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 091 309 Tom Floor Pg 10 Ln 37

EFFECT: In order to continue the food and beverage tax and the 2% rental tax after their original purposes were met, it must be approved by a vote of the people in the county.

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 093 311 Tom Floor Pg 8 Ln 22

EFFECT: Revenue from the food and beverage tax must be used for obesity prevention programs.

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 094 310 Tom Floor Pg 8 Ln 22

EFFECT: Any capital projects on a public stadium of over ten million dollars, funded under this subsection, must conform to leed platinum standards. [Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) Green Building Rating System]

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 096 313 Tom Floor Pg 10 Ln 22

EFFECT: Retires the food and beverage tax and the 2% rental car tax when the bonds for Safeco field has been paid off.

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 097 312 Tom Floor Pg 8 Ln 22

EFFECT: If funds are used from the special account for purposes of capital improvements on a university sports facility, the year- over-year tuition increase at the university must not exceed seven percent for the following ten years, or the funds must be paid back to the account.
[This amendment would prevent UW fro raising tuition more then 7% for 10 years after borrowing to rebuild Husky Stadium, or "they" have to pay back the loan. This would either delay, or possibly prevent, UW using these funds, IMO]

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 098 314 Tom Floor Pg 8 Ln 22

EFFECT: The 2% rental car tax must be used for storm water cleanup in the county.

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 100 317 Tom Floor Pg 9 Ln 13

EFFECT: The 1% and the 2% rental car taxes do not apply to rentals of service or repair replacement vehicles.
[I think this effects your "loaner" car]

2912-S.E2 AMS TOM CARL 101 316 Tom Floor Pg 13 Ln 28

EFFECT: Applies a 10% B&O tax on professional athletes.
[I suppose if the athletes are paying for paying for their own infrastructure then it becomes a closed loop, no general funds involved]

I agree with most of these, some conflict with others, and in the end those that do pass may make the bill unacceptable to the House, or not.

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Peter said...

"that puts back in the language that was changed coming out in the House Finance Committee, House Floor, and Senate Ways and Means Committee."

so stadiums and arenas are back in? we could use this money for keyarena, right?

Mr Baker said...

The idea is to for a Public Facilities District funded by pro athletes, that build those kinds of facilities, that house pro athletes, that pay the tax, and that is the cycle.

Peter said...

"The idea is to for a Public Facilities District funded by pro athletes, that build those kinds of facilities, that house pro athletes, that pay the tax, and that is the cycle."

i don't think any league would go for that. if that is the final bill, i think we could be in for a repeat of this whole situation with the mariners. the mariners will not support this. they are going to want the tourism taxes to go to safeco mantainance. btw, i saw nothing in murray's admendment that says an anything about taxes on athletes. it only refrences the money deposited in section 8 of the account could go to stadiums as long as the public facilites district or public stadium authority says the improvments are neccessary.

Peter said...

does anyone have any info on how many states with pro teams have taxes like these? i know brian said Oklahoma, California, and New York have them, and he also said most markets do.

Mr Baker said...

Every league goes for that in every market that has an income tax on those players and uses public money to fund arenas and stadiums.
The only real difference here is that the money does not pass through a variety of government hands that add handling costs, and conflict over that tax money's use.

The players may not like getting taxed anywhere, the difference here is that at least there is a bright line connecting thier taxes and the infrastructure that directly benefits them.

All tax situations being equal, this would be preferred.

Mr Baker said...

Here is a map of states without income tax

now you know why so many athletes have homes in Florida (Tiger Woods), and Las Vegas (Gary Payton).

Peter said...

i know athletes would pay an B&O tax, but what about if the state institutes an income tax on people making more than $200,000 a year? would athletes have to pay a B&O tax AND a income tax? do any other states have BOTH of these taxes?

bmac said...

thats a good question, also maybe Baker can clarify. Is Tom's idea to collect a 10% tax on all 3 sports teams(inc NBA) that could be 20-25 million a year if Hockey came. Would all that money go into a fund used expressly for new stadiums and maintenance?, does the county or city own that bus land next to Safeco everyone used to talk about, i wonder if that could be big enough for an arena.Im not even sure where it is but i recall that was a place where people speculated an arena could be built. Seems theres lightrail down there now and new freeway overpasses, not sure if it would still work out. If im reading this correctly and if this tax was passed, couldnt the county immediately start to talk about an arena with Ballmer chipping in some to get off the ground. That could be quite a cool area in the stadium district.Hopefully the new income tax for the over 200k would not apply to the athletes who pay a B&O tax

Mr Baker said...

Here is an email I sent to somebody else on this subject:

The athlete tax in HB 2912 refs RCW 36.100.020

HB 3027 amends that RCW.

This is the current substitute bill that has not yet made it to the house floor.

There is already a Floor Amendment (even though this has not yet hit the Floor) from Hunter giving the right to condem property "for purposes of the PFD".

See sec 4 on page 6, for "construct" and "sports facilities".

For the settlement check out sec 8 (3)(e) on page 13 for the "v. Washington State" language.

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I think these two bills are linked. I think, could be wrong, that HB 3027 has to pass and amend the Public Facilities District law before HB 2912 athlete tax can be passed to apply funds.

My thinking is that you have to have a pot before you can fill it with gold.

Peter, I do not know how a personal income tax would apply. Players may to be a resident of a state without an income tax, and/or the income tax could be written to exempt those paying taxes under the RCW mentioned above.

The session ends Thursday night at midnight, assuming they pass a budget. If the session is extended it costs $35,000 a day. The House and Senate are still pretty far apart on how much to tax, and where.

Mr Baker said...

I see that link did not paste in very well, try this:

this is the substitute coming out of the House Finance Committee.
I had written in a prior story why they would be motivated to do this, 9.7 million dollars in 2011 sales tax credit.

For my money, this is more meaningful than HB 2912. Creating a public facilities district in King Cointy would move the control of this out of the legislature, county council, and city council, placing it in the hands of a board made up from the city, county, on hotel person, one labor person (last two appointed by the governor). This bill already would include Safco Field.
For that matter, maybe they could amend this bill to add the athlete tax.

Mr Baker said...

I see my spelling is suffering. I could not sleep, I have a a very large project starting up, while another one is ending at the same time.

I will likely be up Thursday night watching the end of the session, like last year. If anything meaningful happens I will post something.

I think the session will run over a couple days so they can reconcile the two budget bills, maybe.

Peter said...

i am wondering if the idea of taxing athletes to pay for stadiums was implemented to get chopp's support. if this is enacted, will chopp still get his money for workforce housing? will there be enough money for an brand new arena by taxing players, or are we tied to keyarena?

Mr Baker said...

Taxing athletes money will go into a completely different entity, they will not be connected. If the tax is at the rate identified in the amendment then you could build a new building.
Stadiums were being cut out of the House version of HB 2912. The responsibility for Safeco is being moved to the Facilities District if HB 3027 passed.
The bill gives the district power to build convention centers, stadiums, whatever. The question is where the money comes from, and for a new facility it might come from the athlete tax identified in the amendment to HB 2912.

Peter said...

i read on SC that 2912 is dead. will the taxes expire if it is not pass in a special session? are they still using 6051 as a back up?i have a hard time believing that taxing athletes to build stadiums and arenas would not get enough support. if we can't get that passed, then there is no hope for public funds. ever. (even if you call taxing players public funds, which i don't.)

Mr Baker said...

The taxes may begin to expire during the next session, and a few will keep going through 2012.

Beginning next January 4Culture will start the downsizing, including plans for layoffs, and so will groups connected with them.

In 5 years the Safeco lease will be up and the public will be on the hook for repairs to the parts of the facility that have a 20 year lifespan. Oddly enough, Ken Griffey Jr made that building possible, and his popularity sells more tickets that help pay off the bonds sooner, making the taxes expire a little sooner by a couple months.

Some of the taxes could be salvaged next session, but people will be impacted by then.

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